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من قبلا اینجا تاپیکی داشتم که گفت و گو هایی با مضمون های فکری یا شاید اسمشو بشه بگذاریم فلسفی حالا قصدم این هست که این تاپیک رو برای خودم تمام لینک ها یا متن هایی که از جابجای اینترنت می خونم قرار بدم که هم برای من در بعدا و هم برای دیگری مفید باشه
شاید توی همین تاپیک خوانش کتابی رو هم شروع کردم

 

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سوال:

Why are people defending Palestine/Hamas even though they were the ones that attacked Israel

پاسخی که بیش ترین امتیاز رو گرفته؛

will try and give a serious answer even though I agree with the feeling behind the question.

People are busy with their own lives and don’t make a real study of the situation in other countries. They might get information from social media or TV, and some people do follow the news, but they don’t know the history of the conflict.

On the face of it, it appears that Israel has power and the Palestinians are poor and being bombarded by superior Israeli fighting machines. And as many people on Quora tell me, vast numbers of Palestinians have been killed and far fewer Israelis.

All that is true. But it hides a much more complicated truth. For instance, the difference in the numbers of dead is because the Israeli government has spent literally millions (maybe billions) of dollars in protecting its citizens, not only the development of Iron Dome, but shelters in every city and school, an extensive early warning system and more. Hamas has not spent one red cent; they have shelters - a vast network of underground tunnels - but that is where the militants hide, while they leave the ordinary people above ground and vulnerable so they can then display all the dead bodies for public relations..

And that hides a more complicated truth - if Israel were willing to let the Palestinians develop an independent state, and give them economic cooperation, Hamas would not have so much support, and would not have been elected.

And that hides more complicated truths - because Hamas was elected as part of a unity government and then seized total power in a coup, and nobody would dare to speak up against them today. Conversely - when Israel signed the Oslo Accords and allowed the Palestinians an armed police force, Palestinian opponents started bombing Israeli restaurants, buses and malls, convincing Israelis that concssions to them were dangerous.

It goes on, and on, and on, and on, and is just plain complicated. Even in the days when people read lots of books and newspapers, most people didn’t have the time to delve into the complications of other countries’ conflicts. I myself know almost nothing about India in its first days of independence, for instance.

But today in the era of populist media, people grab onto what they see and think they know something, and most people have good and passionate hearts and care about others, so they rush to protest for whoever seems superficially like the underdog.

And yes, there is also a lot of underlying contempt and hatred for Jews in many places.

لینک متن:
اینجا
Answer to Why are people defending Palestine/Hamas even though they were the ones that attacked Israel? by Kupferman Judy https://www.quora.com/Why-are-peopl...share=41b58aa5&srid=u9PUp6&target_type=answer


پاسخ چیزی رو مطرح کرد که من قبلا به ذهنم نرسیده بود آمار کشته شده های غیر نظامی نشون از بی کفایتی حکومتی که مردم اون منطقه رو برعهده داره رو نشون می ده

اما یک چیز دیگه تو متن که نظرم رو جلب کرد قبلا فردی به من گفته بود که چرا اسرائیل به plo یا حماس اجازه ی یک سری امکانات نمی ده
نویسنده ی متن به واقعه ای اشاره می کنه که من نوعی نمی دونستم

 

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سوال :
چرا اعراب از military سرویس idf معاف هستند؟
پاسخ:

Why are Israeli Arabs exempt from military service?
Arab soldiers would be placed under intense emotional stress by basically being forced to be in combat against their people, and oftentimes, their own family members.

Many Palestinian/Arab-Israelis have family in the West Bank and Gaza, and that presents a massive internal conflict for any Arab who chooses to serve in the IDF. The government understands that, and therefore we are exempt from military service.

I, for instance, have family in Ramallah, and I would find it difficult having to serve, and this is the situation for many other Arab/Palestinian-Israeli young people.

The Druze, however, are conscripted, but they don’t face the moral issues of fighting against your own family and ethnicity, because a lot of Druze people view themselves as a separate ethnic group, and there are almost no Druze people in the West Bank and Gaza, so they wouldn’t be pitted against their own family members.

Many Arabs are willing to serve in other ways. Sherut Leumi (National Service) is a popular option among Arabs, and I am considering doing it. It will let me serve, but in my community, and without me feeling intense guilt. You get the significant benefits for being a veteran as well which is a plus

لینک:
Answer to Why are Israeli Arabs exempt from military service? by Layan Elias (ليان الياس) https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Israe...share=d9f0752a&srid=u9PUp6&target_type=answer

توضیحات شفافه نیاز به بیان چیزی نیست

 

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من یک ویدیویی از یوسف اباذری دیدم که عملا پولی که ریخته می شه توی کیسه ی حزب الله رو انکار کرده بود
و بعد گفته بود اسرائیل تحت هیچ عنوان کنار نمیاد با مردم غزه و کرانه باختری که داره شهرک سازی می کنن
چنتا جواب خوندم در باره ی شهرک سازی توی کرانه باختری

Israeli towns built in the part of Israel once occupied by Jordan are completely legal.

This territory was part of Israel when it became independent in 1948 and the illegal occupation by Jordan does not give Jordan or any other group legal rights to the territory. Jordan acknowledged this in its peace treaty with Israel that sets the border between the two states as along the Jordan Valley.

Claims by the PLO to the land have no basis in international law as it was never sovereign over the land and the only possible basis for a claim (the UN Partition Plan) was never approved or implemented (please read UNGAR 181 if you think it was).

Once Israel recovered its territory it has as much right to build in it as France does in the part of France once occupied by Germany, or Egypt does building in the Sinai.

Don’t believe nonsense about illegality of acquiring territory by war.
If so, Paris is occupied illegally. Ukraine would be forbidden from regaining, say, Donbas.
The land in question was Jewish homeland according to San Remo Treaty, Mandate for Palestine and Article 80 of founding Laws of the UN. trans-Jordan attacked in 1948, took it illegally and hardly anyone recognized their claim. The “West Bank” was defined by an Armistice agreement that labored the point that the line was NOT a border. In 1967, Jordan attacked and in the 2nd stage of the same state of hostilities, they lost they earlier stolen territory. Likewise Gaza and Egypt.
US State department did a thorough review and declared them legal about 2018.
Earlier Obama shifted his earlier “illegal” charge and stated that US policy is to treat the settlements “as if illegal”.

یک جواب بلند هم بود گذاشتم بعدا بخونم :
Answer to According to the Israeli Supreme Court, are the Israeli settlements in the West Bank legal? by David Bahry https://www.quora.com/According-to-...share=a8cd96cd&srid=u9PUp6&target_type=answer

 

[شیطان رجیم]

فینکلستاین از 1982 عه که زندگیشو وقف غزه کرده
هرچقدر میخوای مخالف عقایدش باشی - که عقاید کاملا درستی هم نداره
کاری که ارائه داده همیشه بر اساس شواهد عینی بودن پس وقتتو صرف این تلف نکن که بگی terrorist sympathizer هست
اصلاً خود شیطانه
ولی کار و توضیحاتش بر اساس شواهد عینی ان

علاوه بر ایشون برو یکم Ilan Pappe و Avi Shlaim بخون

دو تا متنی که فرستادی بلافاصله با دروغ شروع شدن، یکم شک کن به موضعت.

(اگر لینک زیر برات نمایش داده نمیشه با فیلترشکن باید واردش بشی یویتیوبه.)

 

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فینکلستاین از 1982 عه که زندگیشو وقف غزه کرده
هرچقدر میخوای مخالف عقایدش باشی - که عقاید کاملا درستی هم نداره
کاری که ارائه داده همیشه بر اساس شواهد عینی بودن پس وقتتو صرف این تلف نکن که بگی terrorist sympathizer هست
اصلاً خود شیطانه
ولی کار و توضیحاتش بر اساس شواهد عینی ان

علاوه بر ایشون برو یکم Ilan Pappe و Avi Shlaim بخون

دو تا متنی که فرستادی بلافاصله با دروغ شروع شدن، یکم شک کن به موضعت.

(اگر لینک زیر برات نمایش داده نمیشه با فیلترشکن باید واردش بشی یویتیوبه.)

 

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خوشم میاد هیچی نداری در جواب کولی بازی در میاری

 

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درود وقتتون بخیر اسرائیل در ابتدا چپگرایان تشکیل دادند و در ابتدا توسط شوروی حمایت می‌شد شوروی استالینی در واقع اسرائیل پیش از تشکیل در حال جنگ با نیروهای بریتانیایی بود و توسط شوروی میلیشیای یهودی تجهیز می‌شدند در دهه ۵۰ کم کم ارتباط با آمریکا را بیشتر کرده و در سال ۵۶ در حمله بریتانیا و فرانسه به مصر شرکت کرد در حالی که مصر توسط شوروی حمایت می‌شد و چرخش اسرائیل به آمریکا آنقدر شد که در جنگ دوم اعراب و اسرائیل در سال ۶۷ تحت حمایت کامل اقتصادی و نظامی آمریکا قرار گرفت و اعراب شوروی، و شوروی پروپاگاندای سنگینی علیه اسرائیل به عنوان نماد امپریالیسم آمریکا آغاز کرد تا زمان فروپاشی و چپ به عنوان میراث‌دار شوروی این پروپاگاندا را ادامه داده تا امروز وگرنه کسی در غرب تره برای جای دیگه دنیا تره خرد نمیکنه مثلا برای کشتار ۵۰۰ هزار سوری توسط اسد نسل کشی در اتیوپی و سودان و یا اوکراین یک تظاهرات شما نمیبینی ، تظاهرات علیه اسرائیل در واقع تظاهرات علیه نماد امریکاست

@شیطان رجیم